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hello

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and welcome to episode number 24 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i'm your host exo academian

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since early in the 20th century people's

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imaginations have been captured by the

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notion of visitors

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from the great beyond visiting our blue

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pearl of a planet

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and of course for the vast majority of

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people and for decades and decades

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this great beyond was assumed to be

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outer space

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the vast array of galaxies star systems

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and planets

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populating the immense expanse of the

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cosmos

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when sightings of soon to be branded

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flying saucers were first reported

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in the 1940s it was taken as a given

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that these fast-moving flying vehicles

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which were apparently unlikely to be the

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technology of terrestrial civilization

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where examples of these visitors from

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outer space

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finally arrive to make our acquaintance

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immediately the media was saturated with

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images of little green men

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from nearby planets like mars as our

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imaginations

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filled in the gaps as to who was

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this view which suggested that these

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visitors were from outer space

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held sway for decades more even though

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the potential

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originating planet for these

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was pushed farther and farther away as

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more and more about the apparent

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lifelessness of the neighboring planets

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within our own solar system

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however by the time the 1960s rolled

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and gaining steam ever since then

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competing hypotheses

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emerged to explain the source of these

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apparent others

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and some of these hypotheses even began

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to question the assumption

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that these others were actually really

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visitors

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at all researchers like jacques vallet

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and john keel who had examined thousands

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of cases each

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and who tended to be much more familiar

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with the totality of the data

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as compared with armchair enthusiasts

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began to take note of data points that

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suggested perhaps these

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aliens weren't visiting from far-flung

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star systems after all

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the way these others seemed to blink in

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and out of existence

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for instance led some of these more

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nuanced researchers to wonder if perhaps

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these others

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were popping in and out of different

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dimensions almost instantaneously

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and if that were true then they weren't

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necessarily really coming from far away

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at all in fact they may be dropping in

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from a mirror universe

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perhaps even from an alternate earth

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thus giving birth to what's often

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the interdimensional hypothesis

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when researchers like the aforementioned

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considered the long history of the

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so-called ufo phenomenon

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they wondered if perhaps stories buried

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in the lore of distant history

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here we speak of elves goblins the fae

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may actually be instances of contact

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with the same beings

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who are piloting the craft we see

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buzzing around our skies today

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and who are interacting with modern

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human beings in consistently

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and similarly confoundingly mysterious

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there are various forms that new

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hypotheses take

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to account for all of the data we've

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but a common term that's arisen to

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this term is seen to capture the sense

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that perhaps these

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others are native to the earth after all

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and may indeed have been here

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longer than we have but it also allows

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for the sense that they either

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don't seem to be necessarily tied only

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in our experience of it anyway and or

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that they exist in a bandwidth of

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reality that only sometimes brings them

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into direct contact with us

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or at least into a kind of direct

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contact that we can actually perceive

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perhaps they can see us all the time but

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we only seem to be able to see

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them when certain as of now unknown

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conditions are met the notion of these

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ultra-terrestrial others

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this idea that there may be one or more

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sister humanoid species

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right here in our midst as it were on

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is as compelling based on the way it

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neatly fits with so much of the data

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observed within the ufo phenomenon as it

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if discombobulating to our collective

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as i mentioned in the introduction this

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notion of

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interdimensionality which is often a

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part of the ultra-terrestrial hypothesis

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as most people consider it anyway began

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around the 1970s and has gained traction

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it's partly gained traction because it

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fits so well with the data it makes

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sense of so much of the data

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but it's also gained credibility because

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our notions of reality have grown since

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and the notion of different dimensions

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and whatnot and a multiverse etc

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fit well with this notion that these

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beings could be here

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but from a different here or here

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interestingly as many of you probably

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the department of defense is due to

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report to congress on what it knows

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about uap

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that is unidentified aerial phenomena

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uap is just the more common normal term

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but really it's about ufos now

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brian bender who is a national security

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had to say in regards to ways even the

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pentagon has looked into this notion of

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and ultraterrestrials and i quote the

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pentagon did a study that looked at the

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possibility that these things

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could be from here but are different

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they called it multi-dimensional travel

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are these things from somewhere else

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but not that far away but we can't see

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the reason why i bring this to your

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attention is just to point out that this

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is not a fringe idea

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of course the general public is still

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not very familiar with notions such as

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ultra-terrestrials or

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interdimensionality but within the

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circles of ufology

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even within the ranks of government that

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are looking into this topic

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this idea is taken very seriously and

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many who look to the extraterrestrial

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hypothesis to explain the origin of

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many who have a nuanced view of the data

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and of our cutting edge understanding of

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now as i mentioned earlier there are

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different ways that people conceive of

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that gets across the general idea

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an ultra-terrestrial is quote a superior

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that is indigenous to the planet earth

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extraterrestrial a being from outer

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extraterrestrial because of course

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instance in the bible in the old

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helpful to define this term

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hypothesis we've talked about the

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as well as the interdimensional

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hypothesis and the crypto-terrestrial

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hypothesis which by the way has some

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ultraterrestrials but we'll get there

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but first let's define this term a

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made on the basis of limited evidence as

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for further investigation and this is

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with a bow on it

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it's an idea put forward to make sense

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of the data

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trajectory we might follow

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to see if indeed that is the case so

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let's just keep that in mind as we talk

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about ultraterrestrials

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here on today's podcast

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as i mentioned in the introduction it

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was initially researchers like

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jacques villa and john keel who proposed

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this notion of

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ultra-terrestrials and there were a

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variety of reasons why this

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more than just

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extraterrestrials that in fact perhaps

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the extraterrestrial hypothesis

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wasn't the best explanation based on the

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observed data

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a champion of the extraterrestrial

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but as he studied this phenomenon more

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he came to realize that the

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extraterrestrial hypothesis

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was incomplete and perhaps even in some

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ways quite wrong

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there were a variety of reasons for this

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as i said

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part of it comes down to sightings that

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were consistent

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and that happened over a long period of

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time in other words

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every year for decades centuries going

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back well into the past

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there have been sightings of strange

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vehicles in the sky

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of course how people describe them has

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changed over time people tend to use the

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metaphors

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that they're familiar with whether it's

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airship or black triangle

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but nevertheless these vehicles have

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been seen in the sky

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and various strange beings have been

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interacted with

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and of course jacques vallee covered

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much of this in his

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breakout book passport to magonia which

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sent

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shockwaves through ufology when it was

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published

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now again whether we're talking about

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fairies or elves or goblins or any of

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the little people

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that people reported over vast

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periods of our history the suggestion is

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these may

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all be ultra-terrestrials beings that

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are in some way

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native to the earth but perhaps more

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than just native in the way we think of

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it or in the way that we tend to exist

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as beings native to a planet and again

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this also has to do with the fact that

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they seem to pop

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in and out of our perception this is

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true both of the craft

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and of the entities that are observed

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and interacted with

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and just one final point to make that

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crystal clear

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the idea that valet put forward is that

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if these were extraterrestrials

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that were traveling in spacecraft over

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vast distances

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from far-flung star systems you'd think

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there would be

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gaps in their appearance that it would

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take a long time even if they were

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approaching the speed of light with

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travel

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even if they had achieved faster than

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speed of light travel it would take them

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a while to get here

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and you'd expect there would be gaps in

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between the sightings

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but that hasn't been the case it seems

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like

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these others have consistently been in

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our midst

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since the beginning of time even and

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this

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lends itself to the idea that they're

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somehow native to here or at least

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here whenever they want to be rather

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than having to travel vast distances to

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get here

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again this is a big part of the notion

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now as i mentioned there are different

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ways that people conceive

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of these ultraterrestrials and perhaps

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there's even more than one kind

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of ultraterrestrial but let's talk about

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the possible origins that are put

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forward to explain

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how they became ultra-terrestrials where

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did they come from initially

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what are they one possibility is that

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they're some kind of

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ancient occult group perhaps one that by

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accident

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came across free energy and anti-gravity

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perhaps well into the past and this

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allowed them to leapfrog

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our current society that's one

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possibility

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pre-deluvial

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high-tech society another option is

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stranded extraterrestrials or even gods

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angelic-like beings that perhaps came

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here

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perhaps even before the onset of our

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civilization

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but for some reason we're stranded here

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perhaps couldn't leave

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who knows why but in that sense they're

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both

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extraterrestrial in terms of origin but

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they are still denizens of the earth

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because they've been here

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now i mentioned the possibility of an

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ancient occult group that perhaps

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stumbled across

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groundbreaking technology another

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possibility related to that is richard

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dolan's breakaway civilization

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hypothesis

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this is a notion that after world war ii

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perhaps the military-industrial complex

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or aspects of it broke away

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that perhaps there was a breakthrough in

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something like anti-gravity or free

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energy

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which allowed a group of people a group

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of elites

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to establish a completely new way of

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living a civilization based on a

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technology

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that far leapfrogged our own the idea is

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that they broke away

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became a breakaway civilization hiding

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away somewhere

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perhaps in the caverns of the earth or

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somewhere else

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and that this would be a kind of

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ultra-terrestrial civilization

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i also mentioned the possibility of

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stranded extraterrestrials or

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god-like beings and i mean god-like in

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the sense that

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they were entities that had capacities

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far beyond our own

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because they were much further evolved

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than us so to us they would appear

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god-like

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especially to earlier versions of us

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now of course we think here of something

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like the atlantis civilization

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the atlantis myth which has been kicking

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around in our

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subconscious for a very very long time

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this is a notion that there was a

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sophisticated

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human civilization or humanoid anyway

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that existed far

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before our current modern sophisticated

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civilizations

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there is evidence even archaeologically

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suggesting that

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there were sophisticated technological

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civilizations

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on the earth far before the current

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model

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can account for and this notion of a

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atlanta civilization has been covered in

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books for instance like nick redfearn's

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the nasa conspiracies

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where it's there discussed even the fact

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that perhaps there were discussions

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about these beings these

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ultra-terrestrials who were actually

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leftover remnants of a civilization such

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okay so that gives you a sense of the

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highlights in terms of

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what's put forward in terms of the

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origin the

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source of these supposed

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ultraterrestrials and again perhaps

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there's more than one kind

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now a question that arises of course is

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how do they remain

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hidden if they are here on the earth at

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least

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some of the time and that's consistently

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been the case

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going far back into our history how do

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they remain so stealthy

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now there is evidence they can

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manipulate human perception

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perhaps they can control their our

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00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,919
ability to see them

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perhaps they are standing right in front

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of us and only if they choose

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00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,319
can we see them this is possible and

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there's definitely literature

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00:17:18,949 --> 00:17:17,039
within the ufo phenomenon that talks

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about this kind of thing

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and it also seems to be the case even

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that sometimes people

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can perceive things out of their

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peripheral vision

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out of the corners of their eyes that if

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they turn and look directly

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they cannot see in fact i've even

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experienced some of that myself

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and it's quite common for experiencers

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in general this might

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be an example of this kind of thing

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where there is a being an

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entity of some sort that can control our

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perception

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that's one's possibility another

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possibility that would explain why we

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can

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only see them sometimes is perhaps they

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pass in and out of

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certain bandwidths and only when they're

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within a certain range of the spectrum

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can we perceive them and again we don't

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know

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what criteria determine when they're in

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that range and when they're not

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but perhaps this explains why we can see

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them sometimes

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now earlier on we talked about different

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reasons why the data seems to support

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this idea

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of ultraterrestrials of beings somehow

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native to the earth

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another key aspect of the data that

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makes sense

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when seen from this perspective is dna

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extraction

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and the biological aspect that is a big

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part of the ufo phenomenon

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here we're talking about abductions dna

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extraction

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now in episode number 13 of the point of

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convergence podcast we talked about the

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crypto terrestrial hypothesis

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and that hypothesis has a lot of

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crossover with this ultra-terrestrial

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idea

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in fact in some ways it's the same

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hypothesis or this is

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crypto-terrestrial plus you could say

531
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and in both cases it makes more sense

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why they would be interested in our dna

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if they are native to the earth now

534
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:09,679
perhaps they are an isolated stranded

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group

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like we talked about before and perhaps

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they

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inbred over generations and perhaps this

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has weakened their genetic stock

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this was even suggested in mac tony's

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book about the crypto-terrestrials

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now if that's the case then the argument

543
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:30,080
is they have used us they have used our

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dna as well as actually

545
00:19:35,590 --> 00:19:34,400
produced encounters where human beings

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00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:35,600
have sex with these

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00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,400
others in order to improve their genetic

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00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,160
stock

549
00:19:44,870 --> 00:19:42,640
and while we think of abductions as

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random perhaps they're not

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here i would suggest that possibly they

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are looking for a certain kind of

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genetic signature

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and maybe that determines who they

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abduct if that's really going on

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and that's because they're looking for

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specific

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00:20:04,149 --> 00:20:01,440
genetic material to improve their stock

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00:20:05,669 --> 00:20:04,159
perhaps to address a malady in their own

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genetic background

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and of course as i also mentioned in

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that episode about the

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crypto-terrestrials

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speaking of biology it's much more

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likely they would be compatible with us

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if they are native to the earth and even

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more importantly

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if at some point we have some crossover

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in terms of our dna

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perhaps in the distant past perhaps we

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came from them at some point and split

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off who knows

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but we know that you can't just take any

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two species

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and interbreed them at least according

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to our current understanding of how that

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works

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so according to our current

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understanding this would make more sense

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these interbreeding programs even these

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hybridization programs

582
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,039
if they had compatible genetic

583
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:58,070
now let's move on to another aspect of

584
00:21:01,710 --> 00:20:59,039
the data

585
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:01,720
that seems to support this notion of

586
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:03,760
ultraterrestrials of beings

587
00:21:08,230 --> 00:21:06,240
here on the earth somehow perhaps even

588
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,240
related to us perhaps in the distant

589
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,760
past

590
00:21:14,950 --> 00:21:11,600
here i speak of the craft that are

591
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:14,960
observed the ufos or uaps as

592
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,600
is commonly referred to in government

593
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,840
circles today

594
00:21:23,190 --> 00:21:22,080
what we notice is that these craft look

595
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:23,200
suspiciously

596
00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:26,320
not necessarily next-gen but next next

597
00:21:30,950 --> 00:21:29,360
gen and by that i mean they look like

598
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:30,960
craft we could perhaps

599
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:34,080
develop within about a hundred years and

600
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,159
even people like luis elizondo have

601
00:21:39,590 --> 00:21:37,760
suggested that

602
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:39,600
as we've grown in our understanding of

603
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:42,960
physics and notions like antigravity

604
00:21:47,830 --> 00:21:46,159
we now propose the idea that perhaps

605
00:21:49,590 --> 00:21:47,840
we could learn from these craft from

606
00:21:50,950 --> 00:21:49,600
what we're observing in terms of how

607
00:21:53,430 --> 00:21:50,960
they seem to

608
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:53,440
maneuver in the skies and that we could

609
00:21:56,870 --> 00:21:55,600
perhaps produce craft like that within a

610
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:56,880
hundred years

611
00:22:03,430 --> 00:22:00,000
based on our current trajectory now

612
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,440
this is suspicious in itself because

613
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:05,280
again i just want to point out as we've

614
00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:08,400
discussed on other podcast episodes

615
00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,000
there are likely many different

616
00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:12,480
civilizations across the cosmos

617
00:22:17,750 --> 00:22:15,520
and some of them will be much much

618
00:22:19,430 --> 00:22:17,760
much older than us so much so that we

619
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:19,440
can't even really fathom it

620
00:22:25,029 --> 00:22:22,720
we're talking billions if not trillions

621
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:25,039
of years older than us meaning they

622
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:26,640
would have that much more time to

623
00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:27,120
develop

624
00:22:31,830 --> 00:22:30,240
technology and on that kind of rate

625
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,840
we're talking about technology that we

626
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,120
would no longer even

627
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:36,320
recognize as technology reality would be

628
00:22:39,510 --> 00:22:37,200
completely

629
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:39,520
malleable probably at that point from

630
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,200
our point of view

631
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:43,840
so that inevitably raises the question

632
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:44,640
why do these

633
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:47,840
craft just happen to look so much like

634
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:48,480
our

635
00:22:54,390 --> 00:22:52,080
next next gen craft the chances of that

636
00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,400
being the case if this is really

637
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:56,240
coming from an extraterrestrial

638
00:23:00,149 --> 00:22:57,440
civilization is

639
00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:00,159
very very low just want to make that

640
00:23:03,590 --> 00:23:01,200
point this is again

641
00:23:04,750 --> 00:23:03,600
another aspect of the data that supports

642
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,760
the idea of these

643
00:23:07,750 --> 00:23:06,799
ultraterrestrials who are somehow native

644
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:07,760
to the earth

645
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,190
now we already discussed ways that they

646
00:23:19,909 --> 00:23:17,039
might remain invisible to us

647
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:19,919
at least much of the time but that still

648
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,200
begs the question

649
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:23,280
if they are native to the earth at least

650
00:23:27,909 --> 00:23:24,480
part of the time

651
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:27,919
when they're here where do they dwell

652
00:23:32,310 --> 00:23:29,840
one of the possibilities put forth is

653
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,320
the cavernous depths of the earth

654
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:34,240
that perhaps there's these deep caverns

655
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,159
in the earth and perhaps

656
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:38,640
tunnel structures an entire series of

657
00:23:42,070 --> 00:23:39,280
tunnels

658
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:42,080
that connect these different caverns now

659
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:43,919
interestingly in terms of the historical

660
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:44,720
data

661
00:23:48,149 --> 00:23:47,039
the little people the goblins the fey

662
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,159
and whatnot

663
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,880
have been observed in our folklore as

664
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,559
coming out of caves

665
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:55,360
even in and around appalachia where i

666
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,400
live

667
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,720
and some people even modern researchers

668
00:24:02,510 --> 00:23:59,840
have suggested

669
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,520
that perhaps this is an example of the

670
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:03,840
ultraterrestrials

671
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:10,950
now another idea put forward in terms of

672
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:13,039
where these ultraterrestrials might

673
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:13,919
dwell

674
00:24:18,870 --> 00:24:16,799
is within our oceans and i would just

675
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:18,880
remind you that two-thirds

676
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:21,360
of the planet surface is covered by

677
00:24:25,029 --> 00:24:22,559
water

678
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:25,039
and others have pointed out that we have

679
00:24:28,870 --> 00:24:27,200
more accurate maps of the moon

680
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,880
than we do of some of the deepest

681
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,720
trenches of our oceans

682
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:33,039
much of our oceans remain uncharted in

683
00:24:36,789 --> 00:24:34,799
many ways

684
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:36,799
so that opens the possibility of course

685
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:38,480
that there could be civilizations

686
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:39,840
dwelling in our oceans

687
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:42,480
that have underground cities entire

688
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:43,760
cities that are

689
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,960
deep under the ocean and of course this

690
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:49,200
also fits with some of the data we've

691
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:49,679
seen

692
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:53,520
recently that discusses usos

693
00:24:57,029 --> 00:24:55,760
unidentified submersible objects that

694
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,039
are coming in and out of

695
00:25:00,549 --> 00:24:59,440
water it has even been noticed

696
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,559
apparently that

697
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:03,039
objects will drop from space down into

698
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:03,919
our atmosphere

699
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:06,960
and then into our oceans

700
00:25:11,110 --> 00:25:08,720
and these are referred to as trans

701
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,120
medium vehicles because they can

702
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:13,360
seamlessly go back and forth between

703
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:14,559
these different

704
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,000
mediums ocean atmosphere and space

705
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,919
and as luis delazondo and others have

706
00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:21,760
pointed out we don't have craft that can

707
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:27,590
now regarding the different origin

708
00:25:32,710 --> 00:25:29,600
possibilities we discussed earlier

709
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,720
one of them was the atlantis myth and of

710
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,240
course i probably don't need to remind

711
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:36,880
you that a big part of the atlantis myth

712
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:40,559
involved a civilization that dwelt in

713
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:43,840
vast domed cities along the

714
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:46,960
bottom of the ocean the idea is that

715
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,159
perhaps there was some sort of

716
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:50,240
catastrophe that forced them there

717
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,320
even a catastrophe of their own making

718
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,360
perhaps even a technological catastrophe

719
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:57,679
and that therefore they lived in these

720
00:26:02,310 --> 00:26:00,240
cities deep within the ocean

721
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:02,320
of course this fits well with some of

722
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:03,600
the data we're seeing now

723
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,640
just wanted to bring that to your

724
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,720
attention

725
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,480
and as we've discussed on previous

726
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,799
podcasts it's also possible that this

727
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,919
myth has been

728
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,480
revised over time especially if it

729
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,480
evolved from oral traditions

730
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:18,240
so we don't have to take this myth

731
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:20,159
literally in terms of it being a

732
00:26:22,830 --> 00:26:20,880
completely

733
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,840
accurate description of an ancient

734
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,000
civilization

735
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,080
but it might point to something it's

736
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:28,000
like a signpost pointing to some

737
00:26:33,110 --> 00:26:30,880
distant period in earth's history where

738
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,120
more sophisticated civilization

739
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:36,159
lived here well before homo sapiens

740
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:39,600
ever came on the scene and now i'd like

741
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:41,200
to leave you with this concluding

742
00:26:44,789 --> 00:26:42,400
thought

743
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,799
many of us have become fascinated even

744
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,320
enthralled

745
00:26:50,430 --> 00:26:48,559
by the fact that we can now use dna

746
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,440
searches through services like

747
00:26:55,909 --> 00:26:53,200
ancestry.com to find out about our

748
00:26:57,750 --> 00:26:55,919
deep genetic history we can learn about

749
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,760
different geographic regions

750
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:59,919
our ancestors came from and different

751
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:01,600
ethnicities that make up

752
00:27:07,510 --> 00:27:04,400
who we are biologically and in terms of

753
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,520
our overall identity

754
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,200
now what i would like to put forward for

755
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,799
your consideration is

756
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,960
what if in addition to those various

757
00:27:15,750 --> 00:27:15,120
elements that make up our sense of who

758
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:15,760
we are

759
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,039
of our very identity what if one day we

760
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:21,279
find out that there's actually a sister

761
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,320
species

762
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,880
on this earth at least part of the time

763
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:25,600
these very

764
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:27,279
ultra-terrestrials we're discussing

765
00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,520
today and that we also have

766
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:32,399
a shared background with them how might

767
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:33,120
that change

768
00:27:40,630 --> 00:27:37,600
understanding of who they are

769
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:43,029
and on that note we've come to the close

770
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:44,240
of another edition

771
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,799
of the point of convergence podcast as i

772
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,360
like to say let's keep this conversation

773
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:52,240
going and growing week to week month to

774
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,120
month

775
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:55,039
please continue to let others know about

776
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:56,159
this podcast

777
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:58,080
so we can continue to expand this

778
00:28:02,230 --> 00:28:00,080
conversation

779
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:02,240
but until next time friends from deep

780
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:03,679
within the blue ridge mountains